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Autobot Optimus Prime	To Archangel's mun	Lead	[-]
Posts: 1349 (08/21/07 2:26) Nomsational Omjestic HOOR # 1 More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None Getting right to the point, would it be possible for you to alter Archangel's history just a tad so that he doesn't come to Earth as Bumblebee's secret guardian? This clearly affects Optimus's relationship with Bumblebee and isn't something I can see Optimus allowing in the first place. As for suggestions, perhaps Archangel met with Optimus before or during Bumblebee's arrival on Earth since we already have it in RP that Optimus is at least familiar with Archangel. Nothing too serious. It's just been bothering me for a while and I needed to say something.
FerrousDermis	Re: To Archangel's mun	#1	[-]
Posts: 30 (08/21/07 2:37) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Well, if you want it changed, be my guest to suggest an alternate backstory, since the whole thing will basically have to be rewritten for anything post-Cybertron.
Autobot Optimus Prime	Re: To Archangel's mun	#2	[-]
Posts: 1349 (08/21/07 2:46) Nomsational Omjestic HOOR # 1 More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'm not asking for anything dramatic, I only suggest maybe you would like to change the history so that Archangel does not force Optimus Prime to betray Bumblebee's trust in his leader. As an original character, you have the power to change anything and everything about your character that thus far has not been revealed in the RP itself, and so far, your character's familiarity with Prime hasn't shown itself. Optimus, however, is set in stone in both personality and past. I can't play him as anything other than simply what and who he is, and you've backed him into a corner I would very much rather not see him into.
FerrousDermis	Re: To Archangel's mun	#3	[-]
Posts: 30 (08/21/07 2:53) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Well, I've actually been talking with Tech about it, and I don't really see how it backs him into a corner. The way I see it, Optimus committing the extra resources to Bee's mission would show his trust, being that he thinks Bee has enough chance of success that he'd spare another of the very limited number of Autobots to go with him. Regardless of trust, Bee is just not very physically tough; I don't see how it'd be a betrayal to send someone else with him, only without his knowledge because even though Bee knows he isn't too resilient, he'd still refuse the help if given the choice whether he needed it or not.
Autobot Optimus Prime	Re: To Archangel's mun	#4	[-]
Posts: 1349 (08/21/07 3:11) Nomsational Omjestic HOOR # 1 More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	From where I'm standing, having Optimus send help along with Bumblebee demonstrates a complete turnabout in Optimus's faith in Bumblebee. Optimus has spent the last several centuries journeying with Bumblebee and three others and over all of this time, they have developed a trust and familiarity with each other like nothing else. In that mind, it's to my understanding that Bumblebee takes orders from Prime without question, even if he doesn't particularly like what it is he's asked to do. Also, consider that Bumblebee wasn't sent to Earth to fight, only to scout and later protect while the others made their way planetside. Why, then, would he not at least inform Bumblebee of Archangel's presence?
FerrousDermis	Re: To Archangel's mun	#5	[-]
Posts: 30 (08/21/07 3:19) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Whatever faith Optimus might have in Bumblebee isn't the issue; if anything, the fact that he's spent the last several centuries -with- him and not split to search more efficiently would make Optimus aware of just what Bee's abilities are. It's not any sort of betrayal to send someone else along to make sure Bee didn't get killed when he's headed somewhere all the the Decepticons are also known to be headed. That said, it doesn't seem to me like Optimus would send him alone anyway right after he got the shit kicked out of him so thoroughly by Megatron. What's to say that wouldn't just happen again once he arrived? As far as not telling him, that doesn't even have to be intentional if it makes you feel any better. He could have just sent him as an afterthought after Bee had already left, in light of Bee's recent thrashing.
Autobot Optimus Prime	Re: To Archangel's mun	#6	[-]
Posts: 1349 (08/21/07 3:28) Nomsational Omjestic HOOR # 1 More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Trust is the heart of the issue - that's exactly what your character's history dictates that Optimus damage. And while it's true he sent Bumblebee down to Earth alone where they knew Megatron was, that didn't mean Optimus thought they were going to get into it with Bumble vs. Megatron again. As much as the Autobots knew, Megatron was frozen in stasis on the planet somewhere, virtually harmless. As for not telling Bumblebee, Optimus couldn't have simply forgotten. He had nothing to do up in orbit but wait for results, and it's not like him to let something like that slip anyway.
You Know What Fish	Re: To Archangel's mun	#7	[-]
Elite Posts: 1744 (08/21/07 3:29) Convicted Saleenophile HOOR #2 Nagging Fishwife Administrator Author of Collision More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The fact of the matter is simple; Prime plays Prime. Ferrous, it's a tiny detail. This is not worth arguing over all things considered. If there is no way of you conceding to Prime's otherwise reasonable request, then do please compromise; change it enough so that Bumblebee knew about it, and Bee knew that Archangel was not a babysitter and only there to intervene if he needed help. Backup only, a rational decision given that, indeed, Bee had taken some serious hits from Megatron recently. Maybe? Bee-mun, I know you're reading this too. Would that be cool with all three of the parties subsequently involved?
FerrousDermis	Re: To Archangel's mun	#8	[-]
Posts: 30 (08/21/07 3:47) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Works for me, Fish. Sounds like an easy enough modification. I was mostly just saying that I really don't want to rewrite most of the character history and make up a new story for how he got to earth and all.
Technoir	Re: To Archangel's mun	#9	[-]
Youngling Posts: 71 (08/21/07 9:55) That Yellow Motherfucker More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I tossed a plot idea at Ferrous last night in IMs that we both agreed would be the best choice. That Archangel could have followed Bee without being ordered to do so. The prequel comic implies that Bee wasn't the only Autobot sent out to search for the Allspark and Megatron, just that Bee was "among the first to volunteer". Archangel is the type that would have been one of the first to sign up as well, to be of service to Optimus. But when everyone is ordered to set out, Bee being sent off solo like all of the others, Archangel could have reasoned that he would be more useful keeping an eye on Bee. Since Bee is obviously one of Optimus' most trusted soldiers, but Bee was of course recently torn to shreds by Megatron, the very Decepticon they're all going off and looking for. Hopefully you guys can make some sense of that. Haha. Basically, AA follows Bee, not by Optimus' orders, but not especially against them either. Ferrous, I think was supportive of the idea. I think it works out best for everyone, so that AA can still keep his backstory basically the same, while also not betraying any of the trust between Optimus and Bee. --------
Autobot Optimus Prime	Re: To Archangel's mun	#10	[-]
Posts: 1349 (08/21/07 1:01) Nomsational Omjestic HOOR # 1 More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'm okay with the idea. Just one question though. Was Archangel simply following Optimus and the others? I'm a little confused about just how the two are supposed to know each other at this point since we've already determined that they do, and I would like it not to rewrite the movieverse events since I'm using that alone as my basis for Prime.
FerrousDermis	Re: To Archangel's mun	#11	[-]
Posts: 30 (08/22/07 1:34) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	They'd know each other since AA was on Cybertron with them all during the war? He's not a very high rank and might not be a close personal friend of Optimus, but they'd have met at some point before.

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